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Night-time foot pain in children

Discussion in 'Ask your questions here' started by Unregistered, Jun 28, 2008.

  1. Krish

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    Thanks verybody..it is great forum
    My Daughter is 5 year old now and she is complaining about pain in the Feet and Ankle ...same as all above. I shown this to many doctors... they don;t know anything about this. Better I should go to pediatrician....!! I give my daughter Ibrufen and Oil massage..it works for a while..but I am worried about her future...
     
  2. Unregistered

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    I'm glad to find at least that there are other parents dealing with this same issue. Strange that so many children are suffering and all the docs can say is "we don't know", or "maybe they actually have a stomach ache", or "there is no such thing". It is incredibly frustrating when your child is up crying in pain in the middle of the night and no one can tell you why. I would suggest that if a doctor is going to post a reply, at least understand that we are really seeking answers here, not looking for sarcastic rebuttals. I will continue my endless search elsewhere for answers.
     
  3. Unregistered

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    Thank you to the man who commented, regardless of the tactless reply of "foot doc". I completely understand what he means, and I don't think it is totally unrelated or irrelevant. My daughter complains of her feet "being cold", while she is screaming in pain in the middle of the night. I have searched for answers and am at the point where I will try anything. Heat does seem to bring rapid relief, so there may be something to that. As far as posting relevant and useful things, Foot Doc, if we had medical training and the ability to determine what was going on, we wouldn't need to be on this forum, would we? A little understanding for the position we are in, please.
     
  4. Unregistered

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    After reading most of the comments on here, I am sure that my son whom is 4 is suffering from the same foot pain. His pain comes and goes and he wakes up in the middle of the night crying. The podiatrist gave him foot arches,ice packs, everything you can think of. The problem is still there, it seems to be worse when his feet are warm. I refuse to stop until I get an answer for my son. This is not normal and he has been going through this for a year now. I have bought too many shoes to count in hopes that one pair would help. We are now going to see a neurologist. My son has a constant kick/twitch in his feet at night when he is sleeping.
     
  5. Unregistered

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    My son, four years old, exhibits much of the same symptoms described above - pain occurs in my sons foot, always at night and he wakes up crying. Each time, I've asked the question about the exact location where he is experiencing pain - he always indicates the bridge of his foot. I initially thought he was experiencing a charlie horse, but given that he consistently indicates that he is experiencing pain on the bridge of his foot, I've excluded that possibility. While I also massage his foot, I do not get the sense that this actually helps. I did try putting shoes on his feet one night and this did seem to shorten the episode. Pain usually lasts for 15 minutes or so, during which time he is crying and constantly pushing his feet under the weight of my legs if I'm lying beside him, and he typically has a recurrence in the same night. In my son's case, the episodes are infrequent - probably not even once a month. I'm definitely going to investigate Kohler's disease. Last night, he also said his fingers hurt near the end of an episode, which is the first time he's ever mentioned that... for now I'm assuming that was an embellishment unless I begin to see a pattern emerge. For a while, my husband and I thought he was somehow attributing a bad dream to his feet in order to increase the likelihood that we would stay with him longer. But after questioning him on repeated occurrences, he's very specific about which foot does and does not hurt and where he is experiencing pain. I'm convinced that there is definitely a physiological cause. Thanks so much to all of you for writing!
     
  6. Edhardy

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    I have been all over the net tonight as we just had another episode of the same thing in my 5 1/2 year old. There are tons of people asking about this but so far no answers or even leads really. I have a friend who says it is dehydration and I have read that muscles cramp when dehydrated and I have even been able to see a correlation here with that. I still would like to know what it tis though. Very frustrating.
     
  7. Unregistered

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    My 4 year old son gets the same foot pain. He wakes up cryin in pain, i really notcied its when he doesnt wear socks to bed, hmmm wierd??
     
  8. feergoortens

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  9. Unregistered

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    I had calf and foot pain for years, so did my Father. I tried everything including the Calcium, supplements, stretches and they did not help. As an adult I found out I over pronate - so does my dad. Also, we are both very low in magnesium, for some reason we do not process it well, which can lead to muscle spasms. So topical magnesium and inserts.

    Now my 4yr old son is having the same problem and he inherited my feet. Maybe we can prevent the ordeal for him. This forum has helped. Thank you.

     
  10. Unregistered

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    Have you considered Magnesium supplementation, topical or oral? much less invasive and worth a try...



     
  11. Unregistered

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    My son complained of sore legs in the night or morning since about the age of 4. Now 6, he has been complaining of sore feet, cold feet, pins and needles, or the sensation that his feet are "pushing up" on him. It is always at night and he is otherwise a good and sound sleeper so the pain must be enough to wake him. I have never give pain reliever and he goes back to sleep with a little understanding and encouragement.

    Has anyone else heard of the description of "feet pushing up"? I always assumed cramps with the sore legs and feet but the recent descriptions make me not so sure. Also he has always used plural and can't pinpoint a specific pain spot. I have not been too concerned as he is active and healthy and does not complain during or after physical activity.

    I am interested in other similar stories or suggestions.
     
  12. Unregistered

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    My 2 1/2 yr old gets foot pain and I would agree with the connection to dehydration. This is the only thing I have been able to correlate the pain to as it only happens on busy days when I have forgotten to nag him to drink. I make him sit with his feet in warm water, give him pain relief plus plenty of fluids. This works.
     
  13. Unregistered

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    to all the parents out there- thank you for writing in!!! Knowing my child is not the only one is a little comforting.
    to the doctor on this forum- THESE ARE NORMAL PARENTS NOT DOCTORS!! So don't get all high and mighty that no one else is contributing with an actual medical diagnosis like the 2 parents that happen to be doctors! We are concerned parents sharing those concerns and looking for some kind of answers because we all know that our all-knowing doctors are not helping. Calling these horrific pains "growing pains" and having us shoving Tylenol down their throats for YEARS is not an answer!!!!! Do you know how many bottles of Tylenol I would have given my daughter since these pains started. At least a dozen! Tylenol is damaging their livers and stays in the body for a very very long time! And even with the recent evidence that Tylenol and similar products being dangerous, doctors are still pushing these drugs.
    Parents: My daughter has had these horrific foot pains for 2 yrs. She is now 3.5 y.o. The pain is only after midnight....WHY? It happens out of the blue with no logical connections as to activity or diet. She is very healthy otherwise: eats healthy, active, reg. bowel movements, sleeps well when not in pain, and very happy little girl. I refuse to do damage to her body with pain killers.
    I have been massaging her feet with Arnica & Cajeput oil. They usually relieve her pain within minutes, recently taking longer since the pain has gotten worse. She has now complained twice that her wrist hurts along with her foot pain.
    Please rethink painkillers and ex-rays. While you are trying to help your child, you are actually harming his body. Look into natural treatments and relief. Their bodies are so little and vulnerable. Don't just give them up in the hands of "all-knowing" doctors. Thousands upon thousands of children have been harmed and killed by these doctors. You are the parent; you are responsible for the child that God has entrusted you with. Use your head, use your heart. Don't just believe everything and anything that the doc's tell you.
     
  14. Unregistered

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    My God, lady (I think), where is all your anger coming from? It's nonsense that just because something is natural that it can't be harmful. Ever hear of arsenic or strychnine? If your oil treatment works so well you wouldn't be here looking for what to do and if your child's wrist has begun to hurt too, you better see a doc to find out what is going on. Maybe its rheumatoid arthritis. The only real ideas here seemed to have come from the couple of doctors who posted. All the rest is just misery loves company posts. Take two aspirins and call back in the morning.
     
  15. Unregistered

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    I wasn't exactly angry, just annoyed with the doc leading this forum. So many times parents have been able to find solutions just by talking to other parents with same problems and asking the right questions or connecting the dots that they wouldn't have been able to do on their own. All the doctors are telling us is that its growing pains. Yes I have taken my daughter to many docs and to no avail. While I am searching for a solution, I am not harming my daughters body in the process with pain killers. The oil is not the CURE but a relief of the pain. So I suggested to parents that while they too are trying to figure this thing out, they might want to look into natural relief. Yes, herbs can be harmful if you don't take time to get informed properly. But I would also say that conventional medicines have killed and harmed thousands upon thousands upon thousands. But people are blindly and ignorantly continuing their use. Doctors and pharmaceuticals have demonized herbal and natural treatments because it would take money out of their pockets and empower that average parent with knowledge as to treating illness & disease. Herbs are not complicated!! It just requires you get out of your comfort zone and do some rethinking & researching.
     
  16. Foot Doc

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    AlthoughI was not the one who accused you of being angry, I neither disagree with the poster who did nor with most if not all of what he/she offered. I assume you are referring to me as being the "doc leading this forum." First of all, I do not "lead" this forum. I come here on the same basis as do you and all of the other visitors. I have more to say, because I know more about feet than most visitor who come here. I must be doing a pretty good job of it too, as surely I am not the only doctor who reads this forum and yet few if any doctors have disputed my posts or even found it necessary to add a post of their own. This can only mean that those in the know, believe that this forum is being well taken care of by the doc who does most of the answering herein. If some few visitors who come here resent that an actual knowledgeable doctor does not see eye to eye with them on their often baseless and sometimes even harmful advice, that is not MY problem. But, in addition, what you seem not to recognize is that this particular thread in which you have chosen to profess your wrath has been in existence for 2 years, and there have been 74 posts, only 7 of which were mine . . . most of those having been made long before it became evident that there is likely never anything to be posted in this thread which is more medically evaluative and germane to the topic at hand than the possibility that the problems MIGHT be associated with Kohler's disease of the navicular or with an osteoid osteoma.

    Contrary to your own claimed experience, most doctors who know anything about the topic will agree that there is nothing such as "growing pains," though some doctors HAVE leaned on and foisted this fantasy, probably because they feel they need to have an answer to the questions from patients, even if it is a wrong one. There are many myths and urban legends in medicine, some of which are even foisted on the public by uniformed doctors.

    I know of no reason to believe that so-called "natural medications" are superior to or even as good, for the most part, as chemical concoctions which are often the result of the scientific evaluating and replicating of the active ingredient or its analog which is present in natural occurring substances which appear to have medicinal value. Prescription medications are available by prescription only BECAUSE they are potent and are deemed to have the potential to do harm when improperly employed, especially by lay persons. But at least there is substantial governmental control of the ingredients and proof of relative safety and effectiveness when properly used. That cannot be said for herbs and so-called supplements which have virtually no oversight by any governmental agency. They are many times modern day snake oil. Improper use of herbs and so-called supplements have every bit or more the potential to kill and harm, not only because they can but because the patient never has any assurance of the purity of the ingredients, their amount and their safety. In addition to being a podiatrist, I hold a degree and license in pharmacy, and I know of what I am speaking. Doctors make no more money if they advise herbs and supplements than if they prescribe prescription only medications. Of course, pharmaceutical companies would prefer that their proprietary products be used, as they cannot patent a herb or supplement and make it their own. But all businesses would prefer that everyone use only their products. The herb and supplement business is huge, profitable and almost totally uncontrolled, and it bases its claims mostly on anecdotal evidence. Herbs and supplements are every bit as complicated as prescriptions medication and the potential for harm is often as great or greater. There ARE no effective medications which present no risk or side effects.

    Finally, some, but CERTAINLY NOT MOST of night pains in children are a call for attention. It does not take long for any child to recognize that crying in the night brings parents fast. Did you ever consider the fact that if you used cooking oil on your child's feet and rubbed them that you might just get the same results. The point is this . . Anecdotes . . even multiple ones, do not data make. The answer to medical uncertainty is not to try every unscientific remedy that comes down the pike.

    FOOT DOC
     
    Last edited: May 22, 2010
  17. Unregistered

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    Did you ever get anywhere my son is 5 and he has had goot pain since he was 2. All blood work cam back normal he does not complain about cold feet just severe pain and i have to massage happens a couple times a week.
     
  18. Unregistered

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    I just want to start off by saying that my daughter's foot pain was so agonizing & horrific that my heart would break seeing her in this condition. This was NOT A CRY FOR ATTENTION! We went before the LORD, praying for healing in her body. We are believing and trusting in Him to do this great miracle in our daughter's body and do believe that He has worked in her body already. I give God all the praise and glory for this.
    After her conventional pediatrician said she had growing pains I took her to many chiropractors. I was advised to give her Black Currant Seed Oil. I thought he was out of his mind because she wasn't oil deficient or anything but none the less went home and gave it to her. The pains stopped as long as I gave her the oil. One time I ran out of the oil and it took a couple of days to get more. And sure enough the pains returned. Once I gave her the oil they stopped. That went on for 4 months then pains came back. I took her in to see the chiropractor and he gave her something for her adrenals (1 tablet of some natural supplement). Together with the oil I was seeing good results. Then the pains started up again and they seemed stronger. May 14th is when they were really bad; they lasted all night and into the morning. The next morning I was determined to help her somehow. My naturopath had seen her & said she was deficient in iodine & calcium. And also that she had parasites that were eating up her enzymes, not allowing her body to process the calcium. She put her on liquid iodine, calcium supplements, and acidopholus, along with an herb to kill off the parasites. She also told me to put her on a gluten free / sugar free diet. That was hard but I was determined to help my little girl!!! Since starting all this, she has had one painful night since May 14th and that was June 10th. We are trusting in the LORD through it all.
    I would say to go see a holistic, muscle testing chiropractor / natropath. These are the things that I have been doing but your child might have a different cause for his foot pain.
    Good luck in your quest and please don't give up.
     
    Last edited: Jun 21, 2010
  19. Unregistered

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    THIS MAY HELP YOU!!! IT HELPED US TREMENDOUSLY!!!

    I wouldn't have even heard of Kohler's if not for this site. Thank you for posting that.

    My 3 year old son has the same pain every once in a while and I felt absolutely helpless as he was in so much pain. Last night, however, we had a breakthrough! He had another episode and I laid down with him trying to massage his foot to no avail when it occurred to me that since this is happening only when he is sleeping, maybe it has something to do with the foot position while sleeping.

    I TOOK HIS FOOT BY THE BALL OF HIS FOOT (right under the toes) AND I GENTLY PULLED HIS FOOT TOWARDS HIS SHIN.

    Just like a shark turned upside down in the water, he IMMEDIATELY stopped crying and almost fell back asleep. He opened his eyes only to look at me as if to say how did you do that? I asked him if it felt better and he said it did. I held it that way for about 5 to 10 minutes and he fell fast asleep without pain. That's the first time that anything has made him feel better while going through that. We tried massage, motrin, hot showers, and nothing ever worked like this. I know it's not a cure and I am no doctor, but I hope that this will help someone the same way that it has helped us.

    Please let me know if this helps. I want to make sure this wasn't a fluke.

    Thanks.
     
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2010
  20. Unregistered

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    To the person that posted about how to bend the foot, thank you thank you thank you!!! I don't know what it is but that helped my son!! He was screaming in pain....it seemed as if it would come and go the intensity of the pain. I sat down and did what u said he let out a big sigh and went right to sleep. This is my first night to experience the foot pains but he was in major pain. I am so thankful for ur advice thanks for posting it!
     
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